Python in Canvas, Creative Bots, and Gamma App

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Good morning. Happy Wednesday, December 11, 2024. It's time to build some AI skills with George and Niko. How are you fellas doing today?

Wait. Isn't it George, Niko, and Chris? I'm pretty sure there's 3 of us on the show. I'm not sure how that really works, but I'm doing great. Doing great.

Gotta put the stars out front, man.

Oh, then you should have mentioned yourself first? I guess,

What's going on today, Niko? How are we doing?

Doing good. Doing good. It's, an amazing day. It seems as though the the pattern for shipments, at least there's an early pattern. I'm not gonna say that this is, like, the way it's gonna keep going.

But so far we've had the product release for 01. We had a feature release for 01. Then we have Soar on Monday. And then yesterday, we get Canvas. Canvas for everybody.

So super, super excited about that. You know, there's covering it really quickly. Well, there are 2 things. One, I actually do have a gripe when it comes to using GPT that even though you can use, like, Canvas in like, now you can use it in custom GPTs. So, yeah, like, it's not just in, like, regular 4 o.

Like, now you can use it in customs. So I'm not sure, and I think that extends down to 4 users as well. So, you know, I know that we've shown off what Canvas looks like, but the big the big difference yesterday is that I mean, twofold. Right? So let me just pull this up really quick.

I think we've shown it once out of lots of shows, so definitely doesn't hurt.

Yeah. One shot at a time out of many shows.

Again, the the first day we had, o one, which I will get to use fairly soon, but at least I can use many later. That's what I did max it out on I think on the second day, I maxed it out. So obviously, we've got our regular attachment. We've got web search, and now we also have view tools, right, where you can do picture with DALL E search, or you can do canvas. What's really cool is this.

There's a little bit of cool intelligence that goes on, where if the call seems like it's going to be related or like even if you just enter something in that seems like plan related, all of a sudden you get like, an opening Canvas view where you can just start running it in that fashion. So let's go ahead and start.

So at a high level, what remind people what Canvas is.

Okay. So it's a way for you to work with GPT on, like, a more in-depth level. Right? So you're able to not just get the response from GPT, but you're actually able to come in here and you can highlight text if you need like additional explanation to it. If you wanted to write it in a different fashion, you could have it do it in a different style or do it in a different learning level.

Bottom right here, you've got, suggestions. So you can adjust the length, reading level, add a little bit of polish to it. You know, if you're doing social stuff or whatever, you can do emojis. And you'll notice when I float around, there's like a little section that you can highlight and click into. So you can either edit that one section in and of itself or have it give you an explanation on what the purpose is of that section, why it put it there.

So it's I mean, it's kinda funny that, like, kids just read down the the line here. But the other thing that's been really interesting that got introduced yesterday was the ability for it to write, edit, and actually execute code. And specifically, it is Python. So I would love to just go ahead and run this demonstration.

And so similar to artifacts in cloud, whatever you're doing in the canvas, whenever you hit enter, it's just like another chat response activation.

Admittedly, I have not played around with this enough. My my first go with it yet well, I shouldn't say I haven't played around with it enough. I'm too direct in, like, what it is that I'm looking for. So when I was using it yesterday, I was just asking it, hey. Design this in Python and run-in Canvas as opposed to, like, asking it for, demo step by steps.

I remember George being super excited when Canvas became available. What was the unlock for you, George, when you started?

I mean, listen, from a writing perspective, but even in this code example, in a writing perspective, the fact that you can fine tune it, you can modify the length, it'll give you suggestions, You can tweak one area. You can type right in it. Grammarly works in it. So, like, from a content writing perspective and the fact that it works in GPTs now, by the way. That's the custom ones because now you literally have custom GPTs that hopefully you've built for clients or yourself or whatever, and you wanna write and use Canva in those custom GPTs.

Like, I immediately it was like, oh, I need to just go ahead and go do some superhuman framework stuff inside of my custom GPT and see what Canvas allows me to do. So it's just a it's a simpler way to work. To be honest with you, when I first was like, I don't need a Word document anymore. I don't need Google Docs. Like, I can go right from here to, like, HubSpot or WordPress or wherever I'm gonna put my content and then kind of humanize it and finish it off there.

So, like, in the same way that you use this for writing, now you can use the same thing for coding. Right? So if you've used, like, cursor or you've used replit or you've used even GitHub, you know that there's, like, little code helpers that can do just that. Right? They help you fix your code.

They help write code. And so now you have that same capability to be able to do code review, port language, fix bugs, add logging, logging to it or, add comments to your code. So it's all the same functionality, plus the fact that you can actually run the Python code.

This is

that's trash. Packages for you. Right? So that you can actually see this output. Right?

One thing I want, like, people to note well, like a few things. This is all within 18 lines. Right? If we wrote this a note, I'm not entirely sure, but it's almost 2 x that. And then again, you can actually look a little crazier.

I'll see if this actually I would love to see if this works. You can design, like, whole programs in Python. I don't know that this is, like, as in-depth as replit. Like, it's willing to go and do that kind of stuff. And I also don't know, You know, the code is definitely something that you can obviously copy paste and pull into your own GitHub or git repo and reuse somewhere else.

It's gonna be so interesting to see how these things converge, like, as the apps that are specific that get specific to use cases like replicas and cursor where they're designed for, you know, software development and does all the code things and sends all the packages and shows you what's going on, like, as it's doing it and constantly asking for feedback. Right? When we try to do stuff like that in Cloud or GPT, it's been like, okay. We build it over here, and then we can copy and paste it, and then, like, there's still that gap. But now, like, this is a a movement from GPT towards the direction, you know, just the ability to preview what the code is doing before going to the other place.

Right? As these as these apps come together, like, it's gonna be this is what we mean when we say, like, how hard it is to develop products for this ecosystem right now.

Man, it's just chugging away right there. Like, it's just it's going for it.

Yeah. What's really interesting about this to me is Well, I tried. You got a lot of the way there. It's interesting because it seems like it's still going, so I'm not sure if I want to stop it or not. So it just picked up where not necessarily picked up where it left off, but nearly.

And so when we've heard in the past about, like, you know, 8 year olds building video games, it's generally been I mean, they're doing things like this in in various tools. And, you know, now as GPT starts to add on functionality, it's kinda like like most platforms when you start to consolidate the space where most of the data is and and most of the context is. You can iterate, you know, faster before you need to take it off somewhere else to have it interact with, you know, the rest of the world.

Is it below it? Like, see how there's an arrow that's pointing down below your graph? Like

Oh, no. I can't seem to. There we go.

So it's it's trying to it's still it's working. I mean, you did tell it

to, like

It's it's

almost like entire thing.

I know. It's so but I don't know. Yeah. It maybe Well taking Why maybe going slow because who knows how many people are using it.

We're waiting on that, do we wanna bounce to the app of the day? Yeah.

Definitely.

Sweet. We can do that, and then we'll circle back around and see what's going on and continue to talk. So I'll share my screen because it's funny you basically gave me, like, the flavor of what I wanted to do. And so, like, let's say you're an educator and you wanna educate the world on the fact that you can now use Python in chat GPT's Canvas, feature. Well, I could start here and I could write the article, which is all well and good, but, really, what I wanna do is I wanna be able to create a quick PowerPoint.

So I'm gonna come in here and I'm gonna copy this information. I'm gonna come over to gamma, and I'm gonna create a new gamma. I'm just gonna say that I wanna paste some text in here, and I'm literally gonna paste the text that I just copied from the GPT that we did. I could say website. I could say document.

But today, we're gonna just stick with a PowerPoint presentation. I'm gonna go ahead and look for this. Like, notice traditional tall. I'm just gonna do a default here. I'll hit continue.

I'll tell it that I actually want it to, like, generate, be detailed. I could give it some more information over here if I wanted to. Images, I could say whatever. I'm just gonna leave this. I'm gonna say 12 cards because that seems like enough to talk about in, like, 30 minutes of a PowerPoint presentation.

I'm gonna hit continue. I'm actually gonna pick a theme. So I'll just come over here and I'll say, like, custom, and we'll pick the, let's see, super admin theme. And we'll just say generate because I wanna be able to teach people, like, what you can actually do with this new feature that we're talking about on the thing today. And so it's gonna go to work, and it's gonna give me the information that I need to maybe, start to present this.

Now will I keep all of this information? Probably not. I might cut it back a little bit. Some of it, I might love all of it, but it's literally gonna go in here. And, again, I'm gonna let it generate its thing.

But as you can see, it gave me an image. It gave me kind of the beginning story. Look at here. It literally generated code in a computer, and we've got these things. And as far as oh, that's a nice little image.

As far as, like, a launching off point, this is, like, in seconds of copying and pasting text. I literally have a document that is being generated 12 slides for me that now I can come through. And if I wanted to, let's say, change a color of something, I literally have colors. I have different headings. If I wanna come over here and add imagery or web search or if I wanna add charts or bars or if I wanna add video from a certain place or I wanna do a certain layout, I can take what it's given me to start and now turn it into whatever I want.

And if I wanted to just add an additional slide, let's say I come up here and I go, oh, you know what? I need to talk about this one thing. I can now say, hey. I wanna do this slide. I wanted to have this side thing, and then I can be like and just go generate this, like, image for me.

I'm not giving it anything to actually generate an image off of, but it's gonna, like, look or I can pick some of the ones that it already generated. And now I can just go to work on this bad boy right here. So that is gamma. Again, I am just showing you, like, the briefest of brief things that you can see. Like, again, you can do documents.

So if you wanted to create a PDF and you wanted to easily lay it out and have it where you could save it as a PDF, but then also turn it into a PowerPoint later, you totally can. Anyway, gamma for the win as far as AI content and creating PowerPoint presentations, documents, or even website. And, again, I like it for the ideation purpose. For me, it's never done. It's like, let me see what you give me and then let me humanize it and make it what I want it to be.

I mean, come on. Like, I was like, oh, man. I see, I knew I

didn't even

have to tell you which one to pick. No. Like, that was gonna be the one. It's just it's so good, man.

It's That's the one everybody's been looking for.

Yeah. The game is as an educator, it's it's lights out. Game over. If you're even opening PowerPoint or Google Slides at this point, unless it's for budgetary reasons, then I'll give you a pass. But, I mean, GAMMA isn't even that expensive to be honest with you.

But, like, I think of all the teachers, I'm literally talking about teachers in, like, schools, kindergarten, middle school, high school, colleges. You can have half your life back.

Literally. The time savings. I mean, oh, man. I look forward to our our workshop where you kinda put it in the context of your whole, you know, content go to market with the superhuman framework just because, like, not only does it help create those things, it it gives you the, like, the clay and the building blocks to to finish that thing, but also the I'm sure there's ideation. Like, the fact that you can go from slides to then a PDF, but then we're going on to infographics and just all these different things where you need a creative brief, and we gotta have a whole back and forth process just to do this part of the of the content plan.

Yeah. Well, here's what's fun too. Like, I could get real nerdy with this, but a couple of things. One, some of the social media images that we've used of late, we actually create in gamma and export them out as PNGs and then use them on social because we can just get a real quick layout and some imagery. But here's what I'll also tell you is that you can do a couple real interesting things.

Like, you can have information inside of a slide, meaning you can click on a thing and it will expand and show the additional information right in that slide, and then you can close it and continue. So imagine, like, 4 boxes, but it's, like, it's just a line. But when you click it, it expands to, like, something else you wanna show, and then it closes and then it expands. Linking like, clicking on things, active things, like, right in there, like, there's just a bunch you can do. Like, if if you're listening this or watching this, head over to YouTube and just search gamma app.

Watch some of the tutorials, and you'll probably have your wallet out about, I don't know, video 2, maybe Maybe video 3 at the most.

Oh, it's a beautiful thing. Thank you for for showing that off today.

Have we got any of that?

Did we ever get mummies? By the way, I'm just curious. Did we ever get mummies on the screen?

Working with it or, like, in prodding it a little bit more, it was trying to use, like, a an external package, like, a Python game specific package. So just to let that, like, we can't run external stuff, and it has to do everything internal. So there's a little bit of back and forth going on, but I'll say it's not like, I don't know that that clog could 0 shot it either. But then again, I will admit, this is the first 24 hours I've spent even looking at Python. So I know how to work with Node better than I do Python, so it's it's a little bit different.

But I am looking forward to to seeing, like, what you can build out with us. But I thought what you said about Gantt, it it was so perfect be only because I came across a video last night of a artist in Italy who is using these robots. And there's multiple sculptors in Italy that are using these robots with, like, really fine, you know, honed drills or whatever that go and cut marble into, like, the pretty much, like, the rough block of whatever it is that the sculpture is supposed to be. And it was the exact same thing. Right?

The the artists all said, you know, yeah, it just it does all the heavy lifting for me so that I can focus on the fine details because that's what really makes it. Right? And the interviewer even asked them and said, you know, but if the work is the physical aspect of, like, doing it and working with the material, then where is the the artistry and the artist said in the idea?

The idea and the delivery, and then what people get out of it. Like, we we build artistic things so that others can enjoy it. Like, some sometimes I think we, as creatives, might hate ourselves a little bit because we put ourselves through these historically rough processes and progresses, like, to to get a thing out to the world where people go, oh, and that's when we get our joy. As soon as we hear the, oh, we're like, oh, yeah. We did it.

We did it. Those moments. We might hit on this every every day, like, at this point. The gap of things existing or not existing. Talking to a developer friend last night who had prior to last week, had not really seen Claude or or any of the other tools, and I kind of showed what was possible with with coding just at that level.

So since then, he discovered Replit and was telling me about this project that he's been off and on for, like, 4 years. Right? This app website idea that he's had. He's tried to code it, like, 4 different times. And the farthest he got, he said it was, like, 30%.

Took him 6 months to code that much. In 2 days, he's gotten to 40% from scratch. Like, he just started again with Replit. And in 2 days, he got to 40%, and it's blown his mind. And it's like and he agreed.

He probably never gets that thing done without these tools. Right? Now that the tools exist, he can bring his idea to life.

Here's an thing I'd like your take on. I think there's a flip side to that because I think when you can get stuff done so easy, you start to feel like you're cheating. And when you start to feel like you're cheating, you start to wonder if you're actually as impressive or making as big a impact as you once thought you were when it was difficult to actually get to the action. So how do you think humans are gonna deal with when it isn't difficult to do 90% of the things that we have to do from a psychological standpoint.

I mean, if you're asking me, it's it's not fair to ask me, to be honest. I'll be very honest. And I say that only because, again, like, I grew up with Blade Runner. I grew up with lawnmower man. I grew up with all of these ideas, and I was still in the generation that we were in that, like, I had fantasy.

I could fantasize about the future and what things would be like. And let's face it. You know, work in the traditional sense has always sucked. Right? Like, I don't know anybody who is, like, waiting in line to go sign up to be a burger flicker at McDonald's.

Maybe they're maybe they're out there. I don't know. But, like, nobody I know. Right? But you hand them the tool to be able to do whatever it is they want to do.

The meaning of life changes. The meaning of work changes. So it becomes this thing where, like, there's abundance to a level where even though the heavy lifting of thought is being done for you, just like you were talking about with the presentation, just like this guy was talking about with the sculpture, there's still finite details. There's still, like, little things. There's still little nuances.

I keep coming back to so here's what's kinda crazy, and I don't know. Maybe look. Maybe superintelligence will figure this out. But I keep coming back to the scene from Tron Legacy where Flynn is talking to Clue, and Clue says, I did everything you asked me to. I created the perfect system.

And Flynn tells him, yeah. But the thing is, in order to be perfect, you have to be imperfect at the same time. And I didn't know that when I created you, so you don't know that. So there there is there's something there. Right?

And I I yeah. That's that's the way I feel.

Chris, what are your thoughts? Do you even think there's a mountain that some humans will have to climb from a psychological stand

There's walls. Like and I'm looking for and exploring with the AI tools we have our at our disposal how to create doors in those walls for people, like, give them grappling hooks, like, to get over it. Because, like you say, I know there's people out there that almost have identified with the fact that it's been hard work to get the thing done and how can they move towards a identifying with the value of the ideation or the value of the fine detailing to actually finish it. And that's where it's almost like when you're talking to a salesperson and you mentioned like, hey. You know, marketing can do all this stuff now, and and you just get to close the deals.

Like, why wouldn't you love that? Right? But there is this identification with the process that they're like, oh, I me. Like, I was involved or I was important throughout the whole process, and that's where it's like, no. The the process that we have is built on what you've done before.

Like, your importance is still there. Right? And with all these tools, like, again, it's learning and it's teaching. Even when it gets to the point where it's teaching itself, it started with learning from us and, you know, all the inputs. That's why I think that the singularity conversation is interesting because it won't like, we will have to find other ways to identify and associate ourselves with the value that we're bringing every day.

And I think there's gonna be people who are gonna try and profit off that gap, and then there's gonna be people like us that are trying to educate others so that they don't sit in that gap for for too long.

And the easiest way to close the gap, to be very honest with with everybody, is to come along and let's build some AI skills daily.

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