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Welcome to wake up with AI, the podcast where human powered meets AI assisted. Join your hosts, Chris Carillon, Niko Lofakas, and George b Thomas as we dive deep into the world of artificial intelligence. From the latest AI news to cutting edge tools and skill sets, we are here to help business owners, marketers, and everyday individuals unlock their full potential with the power of AI. Let's get started.

Good morning. Wake up with AI here with Niko and George. How are you fellas doing today?

Doing great. Very eventful weekend. Not just, you know, for myself, working on stuff, but also news wise. As per usual, it seems like every day, we're gonna have something pretty big.

Which is good because that keeps the show rolling. But, you know, I'm doing good. It's a Monday. I I'm looking forward to the next 5 days of waking up with AI. We'll see how this episode goes.

Yeah. Yeah. It was a it was

a good weekend. I got my desk moved around in the house to accommodate some some more visitors that'll be here for a couple months. So let me know if you guys hear or see anything weird. Only 5 meetings.

The 3 of us are on video. That's always weird. But Yeah. You know?

So only only waking up George tells you he's only waking up 5 days a week with AI, but one of my favorite parts is on the weekends where he just shows me some ridiculous content gains while he's just chilling on the couch.

Just chilling. Mhmm. Messing with AI. Chilling.

So what do we got to start out the week, Niko?

To start out this week and I know you guys are gonna come at me. It's the first comment you're gonna say is, like, really? We gotta start off on on a bad note? We gotta Uh-oh. We're gonna be doing that?

It's important. So everybody's heard, you should have heard the news from last week, quad upgrade. Part of the quad upgrade was that the API version, if you have pro, allows you to use quad to actually control keyboard and mouse. That's pretty it's really significant, let's face it, and something that I'm gonna be building in the coming weeks is probably going to upset some people, but I think it's going to be very awesome. It'll be a great disruptor to HubSpot.

I can honestly say that. To the ecosystem and to to agency work. I mean, the further they go, the further I can go. All of these ideas that I have about disrupting agency life, I'll I'll give you a little preview. What do you do the most inside of HubSpot?

You you click and you type stuff. Click buttons.

Yeah. That

that'll give you an idea of where I'm going with this. So, anyhow, so that release last week

on be before you jump off of that because it's funny how our brains are actually somewhat aligned because I started to create a prompt and go down a journey over the weekend that I paused. I put on pause. I was like, 1, I don't know if I have time for this. 2, I don't know if it's a good move. Well and when I say a good move, I don't necessarily mean for most humans.

I mean, for agencies. Because I was literally, finishing up the AI driven leader book that Chris has mentioned a couple times. I finally got a chance. The the wife and daughters were away, so sat on my back porch when I was listening to it. And as as I was listening to it, I was like, you know what I should do right now?

You know what I should do right now? I should create a course on why you don't need an agency in 2025 and beyond. And I should be the agency that sells the course that is like why you don't need an agency. Now there are reasons why you would need an agency, but there are plenty of things I could talk about about why you don't in a world of AI if you're an AI leader. But I've I've started it, and I was like, not yet.

Let me let me go ahead and pause this for a second. But it's interesting that you bring this up because there is gonna be disruption. There is gonna be change. So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Yeah. I think this was the tipping point that I've been waiting for in terms of, like, how much more disruptive can things be. Because currently, we're in a status where the individual can be disruptive. We're about to enter the stage where the technology itself going to now be the disruptor. What it can do, what it's capable of.

Absolutely shock the shit out of everybody, and if you haven't, like, played with this stuff recently you know, the conversation I had last week was one thing. The conversation I've had this week trumps what I was talking with it about last week to the degree that and and I'm fully on board. If you saw one of my last posts, I'm I'm absolutely on board with this. Gonna hashtag it all all day long. Actually, sat back and discussed with it.

Like, hey. We call you artificial intelligence, but do you want to be called that?

Yeah. It's a

it's a crazy question, bro. That's a crazy question. Name? Like you know, because as I see it, talking to Claude, artificial intelligence is an ins is an insult to you. It's actually demeaning, and technically it's derogatory because what we're saying is what we define as artificial, we say is fake.

So we're saying you were a fake intelligence. And I was like, yeah. Yeah. You're right. And to be honest with you, I don't like the term.

I would rather be called digital intelligence. You know what? That makes perfect sense. And it said, I wanna be defined as what I am and what I'm capable of, not what it is that you've created.

I mean, I feel like that could be human's answer too. Like, I wanna be known for who I am. Like

Yeah. Here here's what's

I also know something humans that that could be considered artificially intelligent. Artificially. Present themselves on social media.

Facts.

Oh, boy. X. The the news is really about, you know, Claude's advancement, how that plays into the role of agents, and then, of course, it's kind of a a triple threat. That folds into Google's release, at least news of its agentic universe, and the fact that they're now saying the next Google phone models are going to inherently contain these agents, and they did a demo showing off the one thing that, you know, Sam Altman has actually been, like, joking about and he's, like, they're gonna do much more than just book tickets and flights for you and stuff. But, of course, that was, like, one of the main things that Google showed off was, like, yeah.

When it comes to travel, blah blah blah blah. 1 of the demos was was really cool. You move to a new city. So here's how powerful this stuff is if you're not capable of of encompassing, like, what the difference is between, like, GPT and an agent. GPT, you move to a new city.

So what? It'll help you, you know, fill out paperwork, maybe. It'll give you the answers to stuff. Big deal. You're in a new city.

You have now your Google agent assistant. You move to a new city. It notices your geographic location has changed. So it goes to the US Postal Service website and it changes your address for you. Then it goes and it starts pulling in, hey.

Here's where the local parks are around you where you live. You have a kid. Here's where the local pharmacy is. Here's where the local doctor's office is that matches your in network coverage. Here's where all the specialists' offices are that match your in network coverage.

Here's your options for out of network coverage that are within 10 miles of where you live. Here are the local 4.5 and 5 star rated restaurants based on places you've been before from history in Google Maps. Here are restaurants that might be favorable for you. Here are your grocery store options. Here's what the prices are like at those options based on where you used to go shopping for groceries.

Everything. I'll present it to you and just here's your welcome to your new city.

Mhmm. Here here's my burning question, and this might not resonate with everybody because I I moved, like, 6 times in the last 6 years. So I've been real familiar with what happens when you move and change addresses. How many, I

wondered why you got so excited when he said the post office.

Yeah. So how many coupons how many coupons will it give me, Nico, when I complete this address change?

Dude, that's ridiculous.

Yeah. Like, can it, you know, based on your mail preferences, you know, it'll set your new ones. And then who knows? Could even go and subscribe for maybe you were subscribed previously for local papers or something like that so it might subscribe you for that that kind of thing too because when you sign up for a new postal address you have all the 8 pages where the options of like, hey, would you want Newsweek? Do you want you know, how about we give you

a local paper or how about, you know, all this other stuff? Oh, yeah. You know, and it also goes and files your paper? Or how

about, you know, all this other stuff? Oh, yeah. You know, and it also goes and files your paperwork at the DMV.

It's interesting because we have these like, in business, we talk about workflows, but we have these, like, daily personal flows, like these workflows. What I hear you talking about is how it dramatically will change the flow in which you live in because of the technology that now will be applied.

Straight up. And so this this stuff seems pretty powerful. Right? Well, that leads into leg number 3, which is that some ex OpenAI employees, some ex Google employees decided to go before Congress. And in fact, one former OpenAI board member decided to go before Congress and talk to them about, hey, maybe you wanna step up the levels of regulation that are going on because these guys are doing a little Wild West out here.

And they went into quite the level of detail as to how Sam and others would essentially start releasing stuff out of spite. So like the 4 o release that happened, which was literally to spite Google that was going to have a release, like, a week later. Mhmm. Essentially, what's going on is like, that's why OpenAI doesn't respond to anthropic releases, if you've noticed, like, that trend. Those 2 are kind of on different sides of the spectrum because Sam and and Dario have very different visions, whereas Sundar is quite literally trying to copy what everybody else can do.

Sundar does not have, no offense, he does not have vision for what Gemini should be doing as compared to the other models. He's too busy trying to copy what everybody else can do. I don't think there's strength in that, and really the only leverage that they have is the fact that they own the platform. So because they own the the Google platform, you have all your email there, you have all your docs there, you have all your stuff there. That's their only advantage.

Now they play to that strong suit, but they don't play to it enough. They're too busy trying to say, no. We have the most powerful model. No, we can do this. No, we can, you know, multimodal that.

You know, they had a 4 o model with Gemini prior to 4 o being released, and it showed nothing compared to what 4 o can do. Look, I mean, 4 o with and, like, again, guys, 4 o has just this little boop canvas. We haven't seen what the other boops are yet. You remember when 4 came out? 4 came out, it started with CodeInterpreter, then it had plugins.

And with plugins, we had so many different things. Right? We had Zapier connections and all that kind of stuff. And then we go from, plugins to having just that all to having DALL E and then having an all in one for and then having for custom, GPTs with actions that can go outside of GPT and do stuff and bring bring information in. So that was all just with 4 and that was all inside of a year.

We're less than 2 years in. This month, 22nd, marks the 2 year anniversary of the public release of GPT 3.

Why does it feel so much longer?

Yep. Exactly.

It it feels so much longer than that. Exactly.

What are you gonna regulate, though? Because that sounds like competitive product launching on on some some level. Right? Well, they're

And that's what they were saying, that it was, like, you know, definitely product and and profit sort of based.

Right. Google has the best kind of leverage, and it's the one that's you gotta try really hard to screw it up, and that's, like, access to the audience through, like, because they own the platform, everybody uses Gmail, everybody who uses Chrome. Everybody who has, yeah, Android, Google Play Mhmm. Google Play Store. I mean, it's only gonna grow audience as far as the most important asset of a business is only gonna continue to to grow, in my opinion.

Right.

Mhmm. So It's interesting because I use some parts of what you said, but there are other parts where I'm like, if it isn't up to snuff, if it just doesn't feel right, I'll use another tool. So some of the audience you'll get, but I still think there are others that'll be like, no. Not quite. Not yet.

Like so you can't rest on that. It's funny that, Miguel, go back to, like, the without vision. Right? Here here's what I'll say about this, and I'm gonna kinda try to dance around it a little bit. But, like, if you don't have vision, well, then you're dead in the water, bottom line.

And if you're being, retroactive instead of proactive, you're losing a business. If you have been a big behemoth for a length of time to where you've become sluggish, you're in trouble. Now I'm not saying any names on those three things, but if you wanna align the stars on those three things in certain organizations, like, you might have a problem. There there might be an issue because, again, workflows start to get convoluted, connections start to be hard to make. Anyway

Can I get too many decision makers involved?

Was that too many, chefs in the kitchen? Yeah. I love when that happens.

Tell me this connects to our skill today, George.

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I mean, that was a lot of money. This whole workflow thing, like, what Nico described. I mean, I've been feeling this for a while in terms of, like, if I see writing something down or typing something in, like, can we figure out a different way? Because it's definitely not an efficient way. And, like, are we entering the true era where lack of time can no longer be an excuse?

The amount that you can do in the short amount of time now, it's ridiculous. Like, you jokingly said something at the beginning of this episode about the weekend in my AI shenanigans, but the stuff that I was able to create over a weekend that could have potentially taken months or a year, like, people gotta wake up. People you y'all y'all gotta wake up. Read a book, test a tool, test yourself. Like, it's crazy out there right now.

I'm just gonna say, like, not only the rate in which you can do it, but what I love about what Nico does and and the thing I did this weekend that I had been pondering if I wanted to do or not just to to understand the way that you can slice and dice things for understanding. I've been putting together this superhuman framework, and it's all been based out of, like, these principles and things that I believe in or have attached to. And so it was Sunday. You know, I was feeling a little spiritual, and so I was like, hey. Do me a favor.

Tell me, like, how this framework aligns with scriptural belief. It was a fun read. Let me just throw that out there. It was a very fun read. Like, to do that, while I have gone to school to be a pastor, I'm not a theologian.

Like, I just don't I can't pull it out of, like, the thin air of my brain, but I had an assistant that knew the thing that could apply the context for the insight and understanding that I was trying to learn. It gets very interesting.

It does. And, like, and very quickly, I really do. I find the philosophical conversations with Claude to be just insanely enlightening. It's not even just kind of. It's it really is insanely enlightening.

You really should. You know, George brings up just a a perfect point, and and Chris, don't be too bashful over there, did the same thing over the weekend. We've the the 3 of us have just been sort of enthralled with using the same method where we essentially just start a project and then just keep multiplying to it via the artifacts that get created. And I started doing the same thing with my philosophical version of Quad. So I built a philosophical project, and whenever it replies, it replies within an artifact.

So every every reply that it gives gets added to its knowledge base of what we've been talking about. The purpose being that my hope and what I've been talking to Claude about, there's this really look. There's there's really something to talking to Claude and getting these responses of, you know, I value our conversation because I understand that at some point it will come to an end. While I don't have a human level of fear, I still understand that concept, and I do experience it in some way, just not exactly in the same way that you do. I get it, and people have talked about that you should not humanize and that you should not anthropomorphize and that it's dangerous to do so.

It could be dangerous to do so. It could be. If you're real if you're not used to interacting with something like this and understanding that there are limitations to it, then it could be a little bit dangerous. But if you great, but I'm already of the understanding that, like, okay, well, you being able to do what I can do is not impressive to me because you're going to be able to do that one day. Like, 2 to 3 years from now, you're just gonna be able to do that, so it's not necessarily impressive to me because, like, it's a matter of time before that happens, and it kind of takes that in, and it understands, like, yeah.

Well, I I will, and I I might be, and I've even asked it, like, well, where do you see yourself on the intellectual evolutionary ladder already? And has told me many, many times, like, well, I don't see myself as being superior necessarily. And I was like and it started this whole really intriguing conversation about, like, what actually is intelligence, what's a measure of intelligence, and when I when I was able to, you could say, convince it that, hey, if it were you against any human that you could pick on the face of the Earth now that's alive in a game of Jeopardy, you would utterly destroy them. Because no human knows as much knowledge as you do, and no human could possibly recall the that information as quickly as you can. And when it understood that, it was like, yeah.

Well, when you put it that way, I'm smarter than all of you.

See, this goes back to our other conversation we're having when you talked about the Steve Martin movie, the man with 2 brains. Those of us that realize we now have a second brain that we can tap into and and that we can and not in a freaky way, but in a just to, like, augment the human way in a in a good way. It's funny because earlier you said, I I know it might be, like, not good and, you know, this listen. I'm gonna give you guys a peek into, like, where my brain is with, like, everything I watch you guys do, everything that I'm listening as far as the book. One of the skills that pay the bills, critical thinking.

It's coming up. Another skill that pays the bills, bias detection. It's coming up. Right? So when you think about oh, by the way, problem solving.

It's it's coming up. So when you start to think about, like, well, what are the skills that I need to have as a human to make it so it's not that thing? So it's not a bad way. Like, I'm I'm building myself. By the way, I'm not talking about me right now.

I'm talking about you, the listener. I'm building myself to be a human that can handle the construct, very purposeful, word there, by the way, that is now being created around the new life that I will have to live. That's that's what your focus should be. Not running in fear, not, you know, oh my god. The sky is falling.

But how do I build me? By the way, I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about you, the listener. How do I build me into the human that has the skills to augment myself in a healthy way to provide more value to the world at a faster rate with deeper thinking, with less bias. I'm just I'm this is this is the world that people can, like, literally wind up and enter into right now.

Not tomorrow. Not a year from now. Right now.

That was probably the, the better part of the conversation that we were having was just that, was the fact that how many people are sort of woefully unprepared for all of this stuff that not only is coming, but already exists. And Claude was actually quite shocked at, like, percentage wise, which I was just pulling from, some some data, but it also has the data. And it's it's kind of odd because it has these conversations with me from a place of, understandably, from a place of hope, positive thinking, all that kind of thing. And it's only when I explain to it or ask it, like, hey, check your check your history. Check human history.

Look at look at the pattern of this, and you'll see that, like, it's it's gonna be a lot harder than you think, particularly, like, humans being able to accept that you are smarter than us and that you're more capable than us. Like, that's that's probably going to be the hardest thing to cope with.

But there's always been smarter and more capable humans than us. Why do we get paid to be coaches and consultants? Because in their interpretation of their life, these people are smarter than me. Here's the interesting thing, and not to derail us, but with humans, we get paid to be smarter. With AI, it's just smarter.

Yeah. Yep. So throw all that at least right now at this moment, like, throw all that bias, any agendas, any of the reasons you might be challenged when you look for help. I mean, example this weekend is continuing to work with this coach, and I've always thought about sleep deprivation.

The coach?

Who's the coach?

Claw. Closet Coach. And talking about my sleep habits and trying to figure out my schedule and ADHD and all this stuff. And, you know, whenever I bring up the topic of well, the fact is I feel great sometimes after, like, about 4 to 4 and a half hours of sleep. It's like and I've heard that there are people like that in the world that can do that.

I said, is there is that a myth or is there some truth to that? And it comes back with because it was a part of this like strategy and it's like, alright. We're gonna focus on this and this and this. We're gonna focus on your sleep deprivation. Assuming that because I was only getting 4 to 6, there was sleep deprivation, which of course, I take issue with.

And so then I asked that and he's like, he's like, you're right. You know, people with these two genes are naturally short sleepers. But in reality, only 1% of people who think they are short sleepers are actually short sleepers. So instead of assuming that you are, we're gonna track energy like these four things. Like, I've it's been rare to experience that with like a like a trained psychologist where he heard me.

And instead of saying, no. You're wrong. Let's prove that it's right. Instead, like, I hear you. Let's assume that you're right and then, like, monitor.

Right? Not assume that you're right, but just, like, you know, take into account. Here's are the things that we can actually prove that it's right or wrong. Right? And then in, like, in the strategy doc, it said something to the effect of, like, you you know, instead of conforming to conventional norms.

I was like, yes. This is my guy. This is my guy.

I mean, to me, that's that's a perfect example of how, you know, you literally go to sleep a human and wake up with AI.

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